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Interview with Sibel Edmonds and Peter B. Collins

The following is a podcast interview I did on the Boiling Frogs Show, hosted by radio host Peter B. Collins and former FBI agent-turned-whistle-blower-and-activist Sibel Edmonds.

Originally Posted at Boiling Frogs Post.

This is part I of our interview series on the New World Order.

Andrew Gavin Marshall joins us to discuss the central role of the Rockefeller, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations in the construction of knowledge and the transformation of America from an ‘isolationist’ society to a ‘globalist’ society, and the concerted and strategic effort by these institutions in seeking to engineer and manage the social sciences to fit within the framework of an emerging American Empire. He warns about the slight and subtle process through which a potentially powerful movement such as Occupy Wall Street may be co-opted and controlled, and shares with us his 12-Point proposal for the Occupy Movement to ‘be the change.’ Mr. Marshall provides us with his view and definition of the New World Order, the role of institutions, including the NGOs, the importance of true independence in counter-movement and protests and more!

Andrew Gavin Marshall is an independent researcher and writer, covering a broad range of issues – economic, political, social, cultural, and historical – in an effort to bring a critical perspective to world events. He has authored dozens of articles, essays, and reports online and for various magazines and other publications, and is regularly interviewed by radio and television programs on a number of different issues. You can visit Mr. Marshall’s website here.

Click HERE to listen to the interview (approx. 1 hour, 15 min).


  1. Sherry says:

    Andrew, I really enjoyed listening to your interview with Peter Collins and Sibel Edmonds! It is a different way to look at how these “change agents” have manipulated the masses. However, many of us knew about this one world government that was coming for over 35 yrs. And yes there were many who had heard the word and knew what the word ” meant and what lay ahead for the people and this country. I was astounded the day I heard George Bush mention this phrase in his speech, I knew someday these changes were coming and were going to happen just like what I and others had learned from the information and documents we had assembled from various sources. We knew of many of the organizations like you have mentioned and we knew how they were changing our educational system (grades 1-12) and how many in college were being indoctrinated with a liberal outlook. Getting our kids ready to accept whatever was to come.We knew that this was for power, money and control. After you have finished writing your book, I challenge you to read the Bible and find out how a world system will develop and usher in the Anti-Christ. I think you would find this same theme paralleling the subject you are writing about at present. It would be interesting. My question to you is this: We know that people like David Rockefeller, cannot live forever (even though it appears he is trying). So why would he want to start something of this nature, if there is a chance that he will never live to see this come to fruition? I would also like to know what makes a man like him tick. Does he have so much money that he wants to control the world? Thanks, I hope you are feeling better.. Please take care of yourself. A grandma from Texas.

    • Thanks for the comment and your support. I agree with some of your analysis here, though I must say that in my research and within the book, I am also hoping to challenge these sort of doctrinaire perspectives of those who see this process taking place from either the “left” or “right: as in, those who see the indoctrination via education as a capitalist plot and those who see it as somehow socialist or communist. As you stated, you feel that students are being “indoctrinated with a liberal outlook” in colleges, and I would disagree quite extensively with that statement, though it would depend upon your definition of “liberal”, as there are many. I do not see the workings of any type of socialist or communist plot for world government, as many commentators on the right have discussed for years, nor do I see this as centrally a capitalist plot, as many on the left have discussed. I focus on the study of power: ideas and institutions. I approach all ideas and institutions with the same critical examination, and my conclusions are not “left” or “right”, liberal or conservative. I find both sides provide – at their more critical moments – some important analysis which can shed light on various issues; however, on the whole, I find the general perspectives of both left and right (regarding the world government issue specifically) to be quite dubious: seemingly grounded more in emotionally-charged rhetoric and cultural beliefs than in reality. As such, I am just as critical of the critics as I am of the controllers. Self-reflection is essential, and I have been forced to re-evaluate all of my preconceived notions of truth and reality; and my hope is that this book may do the same for others. In the American anti-New World Order movement, I have noticed several tendencies to promote a new form of patriotism, nationalism, etc., and I do not think that these are good answers to the problems before humanity. I am not a nationalist, and do not believe in nation-states. I am generally against all institutions of power: from the state, to corporations, banks, international organizations, educational organizations, think tanks, foundations, the church, etc. My aim is to bring a radical analysis of power to the ideas and institutions of our world, and in so doing, I will be challenging many of the ideas of both the powers themselves, and indeed many of the people who oppose them.

      On your point regarding religion: I am aware of some of what you have mentioned, though, I remain a non-religious person. I have respect for religions, more notably in their original ideas at least; though, I have little to no respect for established and institutionalized religions. I share these sentiments with Gandhi: “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” This is not of course a blanket statement meant to apply to all Christians, but as a general concept, I find some truths in it. I think all religious ideas have something significant to offer humanity, but I think they have also all been horrendously manipulated through history.

      On your point about David Rockefeller and his ilk: this is definitely something I will be covering within the book, and it’s an excellent question/comment! David, like his family before him, is dedicated to an ‘idea’. It is not merely the purpose of his life to attempt to reach this idea, but the purpose of his whole family’s life, his predecessors and the generations yet to come. We must look at these individuals and families as we look at the individuals and families of all dynasties through history, from ancient Rome, China, to the European monarchs and to today’s banking dynasties. It is the “family” which declares the imperial legacy for itself, and through time, some emperors and kings and queens rise above the others, push the empire further than ever before, accomplish more and command more authority, and then, as always, they die, leaving behind unfinished legacies which may or may not be finished by their offspring, not for lack of trying. It is difficult to impart a single motive onto the acts and aims of these people no more than you can identify a single motive to guide you in your own life and in all your actions and ideas and beliefs. There are a multiplicity of familial, cultural, historical, political, social, economic, spiritual, ideological, and psychological aspects to these individuals and people, as with all people. They were, themselves, products of our society before they became molders of it. This is an important fact to remember, and one which I expand upon in the book: that the beginning and end of the world’s problems do not lie with these individuals and families, they are as much symptoms of the problems we face as they are causes for them. Many of these problems existed long before these people, and thus, without understanding the larger forces at play, we miss the forest for the trees.

      Thanks again for all your comments and support!


  2. A says:

    you are so fit and so smart!!

  3. Adrienne says:

    Sibel Edmonds was not an FBI agent, she was a translator contracted by the FBI.

  4. Sherry says:

    Thanks, Andrew, for your comments! I thought it interesting concerning the quote from Ghandi-“I like your Christ, I don’t like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ”. Unfortunately, there are many Christians who do not “act” as Christ would like. I agree, with how he felt, because we have many who are not serving God as He would like.There are some who parade as Christians –believers, but who are not. There is no way that a believer can be “perfect”. We sin just like everyone else does. The difference is that we are forgiven. When we give our life to Christ, we realize that he has paid the price for our sins on the Cross and now he lives in us and owns our body. He has paid the price for the sins of everyone on this earth (yours and mine) There is only one God and one path to him. Remember that knowledge is not what is important, but wisdom.There is a difference. That is what a believer learns when walking with God and reading his Word.
    That is one of the wonderful assets we have with living in the U.S, we are free to chose to believe as we wish. It is the “will” of man that decides what course he will take. Right or wrong, he has the free will to decide. At an early age, I, too, had beliefs very similar to yours,–no respect for institutional religions. You have to realize there are many “sects” of religion who are not truly Christian. That is a whole other ballgame. However, one day I reached the “end of myself” and felt empty and that there was something missing. I knew there had to be more to life than what I was experiencing.I was engaged in the beliefs of the “New Age Movement”. Very similar to the beliefs of Ghandi. Then one day I learned this was Satan’s system. After all, the earth is Satan’s kingdom. I experienced lots of evil things for my participation. Thank God, I was led to Christ and my life changed forever!
    You are young and you are doing a good thing and I will continue to support via donations and my prayers. Take care of yourself. From one who cares. Sherry

  5. Sherry says:

    This is a postscript to the above. I did forget to say that Gandhi, I am sure was not happy with the way so many have been killed or completely annihilated in the name of Christ. You have to realize that these people were not believers—not followers of Christ. They may have carried the cross, but they were not true believers.They hid behind the cross as a means to do their dirty work. Many forced those to adopt the Christian Theology or be killed. Again, this is not the way of the Lord. That is why he has given us free will. We make the decision to take up the cross and become one of His flock or not. Just wanted to make that clear. Another point I wanted to make is….. I do not agree with many who say that our nation was and has been a Christian nation. No, there were many different religious groups who believed differently,(sects) from that of Christians. Many were the framers of our Constitution. Yes, they shared the same values as many do today, but they were not Christians. Yes there were Christians at that time as well, but the majority were not. Just wanted to make that clear as well. Thanks and good luck. I am looking forward to reading my “Peak” at your chapter.

  6. Doug says:

    Listened to the PBC show yesterday. Your insights and ideas are impressive. The show ended a tad abruptly. PBC said he’d link to your 15 solutions on his website but I didn’t see the link. Is there a place to go on the website for your solutions?

  7. Doug says:


    Is it really necessary to evangelize here?

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